Personality Explosive
Most of you would have heard of the recent explosions in Baghdad, if you haven't check out the Washington Post. Before getting into the topic, let's explain a few things.
Shortly after the invasion, this new way of attack appeared, suicide bombs, the people who do this, do it because they have some kind of a believe, that when they die, they will be Shahids (martyrs). This might be true when fighting foreign forces, if we look at them as "Occupying Forces". But when it comes to killing the Iraqi police, or NG personnel, it is a different story. Then there are the killing of civilians. In Islam, killing is Haram (prohibited), unless in battle, or self defense. But killing civilians and especially muslims is a special case ,In Islam anyone who kills a single Muslim is considered someone who has killed all muslims, on the contrary, someone who saves a Muslim is considered someone who has saved all muslims. So whoever did those bombings, had the believe that those people weren't Muslims .
Now the explosion at Kadhimiyah happened at a place we call (Mastar) in Arabic, which is a place were laborers gather up for work, when any car pulls over there, they would all gather around it, would even compete with each other for the driver's attention. So when the van pulled over that morning, they all raced to the car, gathered around it, when the car exploded. So whoever did this suicide bomb, was targeting those laborers, because he believed they weren't Muslims, so he did believe he is going to be a Shahid (martyr) by this explosion. If that person believed that those laborers weren't Muslims, then he might as well, has believed that a lot more weren't, probably millions, so if such believe does exist, it will put almost every Iraqi citizen in danger. Because whoever did that suicide bombing, he wasn't alone, there were others surely, and they might have the same believe as he does. That those people aren't Muslims and it is Hallal (allowed) to kill them.
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posted by Hassan | 10:43 AM
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So, are you saying that in Islam "mankind" only means Muslims? How are we supposed to believe that Islam is a religion of peace if you say it is only for Muslims?
Um Haleema:
Where did I say the Islam "mankind" only means Muslims?? Could you please point that out..
Hassan Kharrufa
An Average Iraqi
..its seems to me that you are trying to make sense out of something that will never make sense...
I am so sorry and sad about these people. There are crazy people --period. Doesn't matter what religion. There are crazy Christians that blow up abortion clinics and they kill other christians in the street... These Muslims are not REAL muslims - they have something "up their butts" and are not following "the rules". NO ONE should be killed - not just Muslims. The Qur'an talks about taking life---not just the life of Muslims. 4:93 - If a believer kills as believer intentionally, his recompense is hell. In 6:151 it is also written NOT to kill, "take not life, which Allah has made sacred, exept by way of justice or law" (Some muslims i know argue that the law does not include people who are outside the faith....but i disagree. Islam came out of the Laws that rules Abraham.....
I just wish it would all stop but parents breed the hatred...i fear it will always be.
You wrote:
"But killing civilians and especially muslims is a special case ,In Islam anyone who kills a single Muslim is considered someone who has killed all muslims, on the contrary, someone who saves a Muslim is considered someone who has saved all muslims."
Doesn't sound very loving to non Muslims. Maybe you would re-word that?
Um Haleema:
Yes , I did write that, but I also wrote:
In Islam, killing is Haram (prohibited), unless in battle, or self defense. What I meant by those two phrases, is the following:
In Islam, killing in general is Haram, it doesn't matter who the killed is, it is Haram. But by my second phrase, I said that killing other Muslims, is a special case, because Islam considers all Muslims brothers, so it's like killing your own brother. It doesn't have any signal to the idea that killing non-Muslims is in any way acceptable.
Thank you Um Haleema for a nice and decent discussion..
Hassan Kharrufa
An Average Iraqi
Hassan said:
In Islam anyone who kills a single Muslim is considered someone who has killed all muslims, on the contrary, someone who saves a Muslim is considered someone who has saved all muslims
I believe you are basing this on verse 5:32. If so you are taking it out of 'context'. The quote from the quran is 5:32 and goes like this - I will show the preceeding and subsequent verses as well.
5:31
Yusuf Ali's Translation:
Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. "Woe is me!" said he; "Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?" then he became full of regrets- ????
5:32
Yusuf Ali's Translation:
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
That verse is in fact a justification for murder of those who commit 'mischief,' and ends with a veiled threat. And then the subsequent verse is much, much worse:
5:33
Yusuf Ali's Translation:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
Now is there another part in the quran where this 'mankind' verse is repeated? Is it different? And if it was 'nicer' wouldn't that contradict what I've just posted from the quran here?
Anyway, I agree with chele: you are trying to make sense out of something that will never make sense...
ZI:
First of all, I have not said that my source was the Quran, this was a saying for the Prophet Mohammad, and I have not been able to find a translation for it yet.
Anyway, you are misusing the Quran ZI, because some verses of the Quran were actually circumstancial verses, meaning that they were sent to fix a current situation at that time, for all these verses, another verse have been sent to be a more general verse for all times, so you can't simply google the Quran and come up with a trnaslation. This must be done using a timeline, meaning that you take the last verse only.
Let me give you an example: At the first days of Islam, a verse was sent to clarify Islam's situation considering Alcoholics, it stated that it was disliked, this was done at a time Muslims were few, and they were used to drinking, so making drinking Haram all of a sudden would have created a case of denial and would have probably made a lot of new Muslims, refuse the relegion. Later on when Islam became a lot more popular and strong, the final verse came to specify drinking as Haram, replacing the first verse.
Hassan Kharrufa
An Average Iraqi
I just assumed you were referring to that verse, and I noted my uncertainty in my post. But, you must know that this verse is commonly referred to, and very similar to your claim - and I am just pointing out that it is often used out of context.
And I didn't google this, I looked it up on www.islamonline.com's quran. I am familiar with the quran.
Yes, I have heard the reasoning of abrogation - the later verse taking precedence over the earlier verses. The question that arises right off the bat with this explanantion, is: does the messenger himself direct his followers to do this to his revelations? sayings? And in the quran? - I actually do not know this, and I would like to know myself.
And if that were truely intended, then wouldn't the quran be in chronological order? If Mohammad wanted to make it clear which verses came before others, then the quran should be in a clear order, right?
But it is not - it is jumbled up, and the only way to figure out the order of the surahs chronologically, is to compare it to the ahadith and sunnah.
And if the abrogation of the quran is as you say, then we all -- muslims, athiests, people of the book, and pagans -- should take a look at the second to last surah revealed in the quran, which is surah 9 - when most of arabia was under the rule of mohammad:
verses 1-23(of 129)
Pickthal's Translation:
9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance).
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve, Give tidings (O Muhammad)
of a painful doom to those who disbelieve.
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.
9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.
9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.
9:10 And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.
9:11 But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
9:12 And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist.
9:13 Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ? What! Fear ye them ? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers
9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.
9:15 And He will remove the anger of their hearts. Allah relenteth toward whom He will. Allah is Knower, Wise.
9:16 Or deemed ye that ye would be left (in peace) when Allah yet knoweth not those of you who strive, choosing for familiar none save Allah and His messenger and the believers ? Allah is Informed of what ye do.
9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide. Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire.
9:18 He only shall tend Allah's sanctuaries who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due and feareth none save Allah. For such (only) is it possible that they can be of the rightly guided. Pay the poor-due.
9:19 Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah ? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
9:20 Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.
9:21 Their Lord giveth them good tidings of mercy from Him, and acceptance, and Gardens where enduring pleasure will be theirs;
9:22 There they will abide for ever. Lo! with Allah there is immense reward.
9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.
And that is just a taste of the second to last surah revealed by mohammad.
And just for kicks I'll include the last surah in it's entirety - it's a short one.
110:1 When Allah's succour and the triumph cometh
110:2 And thou seest mankind entering the religion of Allah in troops,
110:3 Then hymn the praises of thy Lord, and seek forgiveness of Him. Lo! He is ever ready to show mercy.
Well Zi:
I'm impressed that someone who is not a muslim knows all this about Islam. About Ahadeth, at that time, there were what we call in arabic (Kutab) those were responsible for writing down any sayings that the messenger might have said, to be considered part of the Sunnah. These were later on gathered and put together in books we call (Sahih), the word Sahih means true in Arabic, the Ahadeeth in these books are confirmed sayings of the prophit, and are commonly used by the Muslims.
As for the sorting of the Quran, I have to admit that I have not looked into it, if you would like, you could email me to continue this disscussion forward, while I do some research and tell you how the Quran was originally sorted...
Hassan Kharrufa
An Average Iraqi
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